Ashland City Council
Work Session Minutes
February 28, 2008
Thursday, February 28, 2008, Council Chambers 7:00 P.M.
Purpose:
Discussion regarding a proposed lease
agreement with the Ashland County Historic Preservation Alliance, Inc.
for use of the “Siler” property.
Attendance:
Council members Steve Stuart, Bob Valentine W1, Bob Valentine W2, Ruth
Detrow, Paul Wertz
Mayor: Glen Stewart
City Engineer: Jim Cooper
Asst. to City Engineer: Larry Paxton
Director of Law: Richard P. Wolfe II
Director of Parks & Recreation: Tim Clingan
Scott L. Brown: Ashland County Historic Preservation Alliance,
Inc.
Council Clerk: Valarie Bishoff
Media: T-G Travis Minnear
Public
Roll Call: Steve Stuart, Bob Valentine W1, Bob Valentine W2, Ruth
Detrow W3, Paul Wertz W4
Pledge of Allegiance:
Paul Wertz: This is a Special Work Session on a proposed lease
agreement with Ashland County Historical Preservation Alliance, Inc.
for the use of the “Siler” property.
Robert L. Valentine W1: Rick, I appreciate the background
information that you sent to us. This all started back in 2004,
correct?
Richard P. Wolfe II: You got a Grant to buy the property.
Robert L. Valentine W1: $179,000.00. We just bought
the property.
Tim Clingan, Director of Parks & Recreation: The main goal
was just to secure the land. That is what Clean Ohio does,
provide funds to purchase land for Green Space. We had to
have at that time, what our goals were. Well, we were going to
call it the Jamison Creek Nature Preserve. That is what the
project was called. We were going to put trails through there.
Virtually what we had done with Sandusky Hollow. It also had a
house on it in the period of 1846. We discussed at that time with
the structure of what we really wanted. Should we just level it
or what? We talked about and thought it could be a historical
location. If we would renovate it and have it as a facility
that could be visited by the community, but especially through the
youth and have maybe a pet farm and build a barn that would be similar
to the period of the 1850’s, 1840’s so that the youth can
see how a working farm actually was at that period of time. Those were
mainly the goals. Of course at that time the Hatchery was still
there. Not sure what we were going to do with that. We were
talking about renovating that and that would become the Education
facility. That was the size of about a four-car garage and you
would have some Outdoor Education classes there too. A lot of
classes go overnight someplace with an additional expense; where they
can just go here for a day, do their outdoor education. Various
types of mild diversity going on as far as wildlife is concerned.
That is basically what the plan was to begin with. We
never put a deadline on when this was going to happen. Our number
one issue was to procure the land before it was lost. And of
course you know how the finances have gone ever since. We have
not had the finances to do that. There was a two-car garage
that was attached to that. We knew it was in really bad shape and
it was torn down. It was eliminated. We have had vandalism
throughout the period so we went ahead and we put 4x8 sheets of plywood
on all the ground floor windows and even some of the doors to eliminate
the damage. Most of those windows are original. We want to keep
it as original as possible. We did not want to level the
house because the structure is really a solid structure. There is
a little bit of deterioration on the brick at the ground level.
But some of the unique features of that house are very interesting,
especially off of the back where the summer porch is and summer kitchen
with an open fireplace in there and a beehive cook oven. We had
the support of Mayor Strine at that time and we just decided we
couldn’t tear that down. There had been from the original
dormers, two dormers that were put in that faced the back of the
house. They were in terrible shape and a lot of water was coming
in there. We took bids and we had a roofer come in and eliminated
the dormers and put a new roof on. There were chimneys at each
end of the house; they were dangerous and taken down to the level of
the roof.
Robert L. Valentine W1: I appreciate the background. I
think people should know what it is. I read through it and got
this information and I didn’t know whether you were going to be
here.
Ruth Detrow: Mr. Clingan, in the original plan for this, was
there a plan to build a restroom, a public restroom?
Tim Clingan: It was stated that because it was going to be
a public facility, I am not sure what the exact wording was; but a
restroom would probably be needed because of what we want to use it for.
Ruth Detrow: But that wasn’t tied to the Grant? It
was part of the plan that you gave?
Tim Clingan: Absolutely. Very similar to what we did at
Sandusky Hollow. We were going to build a Pavilion out there as a
learning structure. The School system was going to benefit from
that and they were going to help us build that. The need
has not pushed to the surface yet. When that happens, there will
probably have to be a restroom facility similar put up.
Robert L. Valentine W1: There is a difference though, the difference
being that according to the original material that we received, the
Board was going to have to pretty much approve what we going to
do. So it probably wasn’t going to be something like what
you put up before. It was going to have to have historical
background to go along with the time of the house.
Tim Clingan: I talked to Jim Cooper. It was my idea at the
time. It was not written down. It would have to blend in
with the facilities. It will have to be ADA approved to meet
those codes and I picture maybe two 5 x 8 pieces back to back
that will be laid up with cement block with a sloped roof and the
facing would be unfinished wood, treated, unfinished wood. Like
an out house just like it was back then in 1850’s but with
running water. It would be unisex. It is not going to be
the size like in a park.
Robert L. Valentine W1: Whenever this project would be completed,
I would assume that this would be the type of project that was going to
draw a lot of people; you are going to have to have a pretty good size
restroom.
Tim Clingan: As time goes on, yes. I could see maybe them
in different locations throughout the facility.
Mayor Stewart: Mr. Valentine, what Board were you referring to
when you said the Board?
Richard P. Wolfe II: You made reference to a Board having to
approve something? What Board were you referring to?
Robert M. Valentine W2: It was referring to us, as Council, to
approve it.
Tim Clingan: So that comment of the design of this restroom came
out of Tim Clingan’s head. I have no idea of when.
Code, it would have to be a primitive appearing structure.
Robert L. Valentine W1: My comments or concerns
wasn’t with what you want to do, it was the commitment that the
city had to make. When you were here the last time, we talked
about that and you said we could talk about that. We
couldn’t make any concessions when you are dealing with an
Ordinance. You cannot change an Ordinance.
Scott Brown: I appreciate the city has to take into account; they
have to protect what the city can do and can’t do.
Everything I put in here that we requested the city participate in, in
my mind was a low budget item, other than maybe the restroom. But those
were things that the city was going to end up doing in one form or
another with the Grant proposal. I guess a lot of stuff that I
was asking wasn’t something that the city wasn’t going to
occur cost or do anyway. The utilities, the electric. There
is no water out there, it is a well system and there is a septic
system. No gas lines out there. Electric is ongoing out
there now. Would we add to that electric? Renovating out there,
yes we would. I don’t think it would be an astronomical
amount until such time you put a heating system in there; which we
would have to look at would it be better for us to run gas out to that
or do a geo thermal all electric that we haven’t gotten that far
yet. The poison ivy is all over the yard out there. You
will have to do anyway. If you renovate the house, the dumpster I
have some cost on that and the port-a-pot. They are not large
ticket items but for us starting out they are something we have to
worry about. That is what we are asking the city to take part
in. In the Grant proposal, it was indicated in the first five
years, you were not really going to do anything according to what the
State said. In the second five years, the development of
infrastructure at these public meetings of Parks & Recreation will
create a 10 year development plan and that will include construction of
access roads, construction of parking facilities, suitable for any
anticipated needs, trails throughout, staging areas. Then
the second thing was restrooms. I was looking at what the city
could help us with; things you were going to end up having to do
anyway.
Robert L. Valentine W1: I can understand your logic, but the
rational is things have changed. The situation as far as finances
are concerned are much different today then they were back then.
What you are doing is making a commitment for the future too. I
think it is something we have to take into consideration because we are
using taxpayer’s money.
Stephen Stuart: The plan could be relatively inexpensive or it
could not be. We do not have any figures as far as cost of what
the restrooms would be, what the cost of running gas or water out there
would be.
Scott Brown: If we run gas out there, Steve, we figured
that is on us. If we are putting that kind of heating system in,
we are paying for that. The only thing I specifically asked
for the city to participate in was those items. Everything else
that we rehab, the barn, the house. Electric is the only utility
out there. There is no water out there.
Ruth Detrow: Remember some of the things you said the last
time. I think it was a very wise comment that we have to put
everything in writing because your Board will change, City Council will
change and we can’t have everything that down the road would be a
disaster and one of the things I am concerned about is utilities.
The way it is stated in that agreement; we would have to pay, five
years from now, you would have a thriving project and there are kids
coming in from all over to experience this old time farm. I live in an
old house; I know what it costs just to heat.
Scott Brown: If we got to the point where the project was
completed and we were open for business for the public; we would not
require the city for anything.
Ruth Detrow: That is the kind of thing we need to have in the
agreement so that if I step in front of a truck or if you decide you
are going to leave your job and go somewhere else, it doesn’t
matter because it is written.
Scott Brown: I have no problems with the day we open up; we
can start making a little money by donations or however we are going to
do that. That would terminate the city continuing to pay the
electric.
Stephen Stuart: Would you feel comfortable Scott with
changing the utilities to be paid for by the city; the electric being
paid for by the city?
Scott Brown: If you want to specify it by electricity, that is
fine by me. And I am thinking right now trying to find out
what the city is paying for electric. Until we put any kind of
heating system in there, the electric drawn is really going to be
minute especially in the summer when it is light until 9:00 pm.
Mayor Stewart: What would Council think about putting a cap on
per year for some of these things? For instance, a cap on how
much electricity, or how much you want to pay for a port-a-pot if that
were to be required or how much you are willing to budget for a
dumpster. These things have huge variables. If you take a
dumpster and fill it half full and it set over the winter, then you
have a lot of demiurge.
Ruth Detrow: It is a good idea.
Robert L. Valentine W1: Ohio Edison is asking for a 30-35%
increase. Put in a liberal figure.
Scott Brown: We have to see what the best costs are. Geo
Thermal is the better deal for older homes because it is more
constant. We also would have to look at what it would cost to run
a gas line. But the dumpster will be a one time thing
because we plan on doing what demolition we have to do within 30-60
days. A price from Simonson is $ 300.00 for a 30 cu yd
dumpster. They pick up and deliver it. You have to be done
with it by a certain time or it is $25.00 dollars a week. That is
the only time I plan on using the dumpster.
Robert M. Valentine W2: I have only been around a couple of years
on this Council and all of this other stuff about this was done before
I was here and the first time I was made aware of this is November when
you came and gave your presentation. It was a good presentation and I
am all for it, but all of a sudden from November until last week, now
we get an Ordinance. It was a little quick for me because I did
not know everything and I imagine Stephen didn’t either.
All of a sudden I get a presentation in November basically and then
zapped with an Ordinance. What the former Mayor did with you; we
have no idea because we were not privy to the information. I knew
nothing about it.
Scott Brown: Can I give you a quick background on that? I
talked to the Mayor about a new group we were starting and he said, by
the way, we have a project we might not be able to deal with anymore
because of the issues Council indicated with finding the
manpower. He asked me if we had an interest in it and I said
absolutely. That is how it started.
Richard P. Wolfe II: I was of the impression that everybody
was pretty on board with all of this and when we got the approval from
the State, which we had been waiting for about one month, once we got
that, I went ahead and prepared an Ordinance. If that jumped to
that level too quickly, that is because I went ahead and prepared it
for you but that is how it came about. Now we are where we should
have been before that. Maybe Scott can explain his groups funding
and finances a little more, but my impression was that you are a little
more labor intensive now than you are fund intensive, what you can
contribute is expertise and labor to get the job done and that you are
hoping to get contributions and you are hoping to get Grants and so we
have to be a little bit careful of how we tie in a financial obligation
on their part because they don’t yet have the funding and that is
one of the things they just acquired or in the process of acquiring,
their IRS tax status which would make the contributions to their group,
tax deductible. So they haven’t started receiving those
kinds of contributions yet. They haven’t been in a position
to apply for any grants yet. So how and when they are
going to be able to assume certain financial obligations is probably
not completely clear at this point.
Scott Brown: Part of the thing we are doing from an operational
cost is Betty Plank has allowed us with the help of the historical
society, to reprint her first book. Those funds from that book
are going to be used to pay for our operational costs, which is the
insurance of which I said we would pay for. When we get that
property, we would on behalf of the city, get that house and property
registered in the National Registry which opens up the doors for us to
apply for certain kinds of Grants that we cannot do until that house is
on the National Registry. So there are certain sequences that
have to take place and I have a lot of people in my group who are very
extensively knowledgeable about restoration and a lot of volunteering
from AU who are interested in helping with this through different
professors, through groups there. There are a lot of people who
want to help, but we cannot start it obviously until… So
not putting the cart before the horse, but some of the money
won’t come in until later on.
Robert L. Valentine W1: Scott when you apply for Grants,
you need the City as the vehicle; is there any requirement that the
city has to make financially?
Scott Brown: We are looking for a strictly Historical type Grant.
Richard P. Wolfe II: You might not need the city for some
of the Grants you are applying for because they are an entity in of
themselves. That is why when he says, when they get the property,
we would still own it, but we would be leasing it to them and they
would have, based on that, they could apply for certain Grants.
There could be something that they would apply for that might need the
cooperation of the city, but I also had the understanding you
anticipated applying for Grants in your name and under your own
auspices.
Scott Brown: Convention and Visitors Bureau was one that we had
to have someone else comply with us for the Grant. We had to have
some other entity because that is going to benefit people coming
through.
Stephen L. Stuart: If we can for a maximal amount pay for a
dumpster, $1000.00 dollars, would that make sense to Council?
Ruth Detrow: That would be a lot more than he says it would cost.
Robert M. Valentine W2: I would rather be on the high side than
the low side.
Scott Brown: The price he gave me was $300.00 per month. If
I got the stuff out before the middle of April, he will give me the
second one free. If that wasn’t the case they had to have,
it was $25.00 dollars a week, so $500.00 dollars would cover my 60-day
window.
Mayor Stewart: I would suggest that Council tell me what
line item to take that out of. I am all for it. You all
have a copy of the budget.
Ruth Detrow: Parks?
Mayor Stewart: We just took $60,000.00 dollars away from Tim
Clingan.
Scott Brown: I understand the city; the economy is not where it
needs to be in Ashland. I know there are a lot of people
hurting. I do not want to do something to jeopardize what the
city has; I know the budget is coming up. The other issue
is the port-a-pot. The rest we can work with down the road and
not commit each other to anything on that and not have it in writing as
long as you said, we’ll help you somehow. That is all I
care about without obligating any money. Maybe that was through a
block grant.
Robert L. Valentine W1: We can have that on the record too.
We can have that on the record that we did discuss it.
Scott Brown: But the port-a-pot is important because I will have
volunteers working out there.
Stephen L. Stuart: What do they cost?
Scott Brown: $960.00 a year. That is the information I
got. I am sure the city gets them cheaper than what I would be
getting them for.
Tim Clingan: We do use them throughout the park. It
is somewhere between $80.00 and about $99.00 dollars per month.
Scott Brown: $960.00 dollars and they service it once a
week. That is who we use for the Balloon Fest.
Ruth Detrow: Is block grant money available for this? Or is
that something that is committed already Jim?
Jim Cooper: I think in our process with the budget as tight as it
is, we are going to look for that to do a few projects in the
infrastructure.
Robert M. Valentine W2: I have looked at the budget, and it is a
tight budget. If this Council decides not to do Baldrige this
year, we have a Baldrige
fund. That isn’t going to happen unless you override
me, because the Baldrige process is an investment that we have already
invested in for several years and we initiated it again last Wednesday
at our staff meeting.
Robert M. Valentine W2: I am just saying that this Council, if we
don’t have any money in the budget.
Mayor Stewart: If you want to say $1000.00 dollars, we will pay
$1000.00 dollars. I am not sure where, but we will find $1000.00
dollars. If you want to say, Glen can you get me $1000.00 dollars
and we will spend it between April and June or July. I will find
$1000.00 dollars somewhere.
Scott Brown: Our group does not want to cause any
hardships. We are the ones with our neck sticking out here to be
honest with you to get it done. Our initial start up here, we are
cash poor, but volunteer rich and skill rich. Starting out,
if I would have to pay those right now, I wouldn’t be able to do
some other things that is paying the bills that we have got to do in
the organization.
Mayor Stewart: Scott, if this Council and I know they will, work
with me, we will find $1000.00 dollars somewhere. It may be in
two or three different categories.
Robert L. Valentine W1: When we agree to the Ordinance,
what will we take out and what will we leave in as far as the
commitments that the city has?
Mayor Stewart: I am not prepared to answer that. Rick would
have to take another look at that. I am only addressing, if there
is an immediate need, and there is, to get the; and construction season
is coming on us, so we can address probably a $50.00 dollar a month
electric bill.
Scott Brown: I am not an expert on that. But just for the
use of what we are doing out there, $50-60 dollars is the range people
told me. I don’t know if that accounts for what Ohio Edison
is going to try to do here with the raises.
Mayor Stewart: They just took about a 25-30% increase on our
streetlights; it went from $7800.00 dollars to $10,200.00 dollars.
Stephen L. Stuart: If we go through and we look at what is before
us and the need to address it, hopefully in a positive way, with the
limitations that we are facing, we may look at this and in a short-term
kind of thing. The dumpster, we talked about $500.00 dollar cap
on that. Assuming the responsibility to kill the poison ivy is
that reasonable. The port-a-pot, for what period of time?
Richard P. Wolfe II: It seems we need to help get them through
the first year.
Scott Brown: Could I squeeze two years out of you on that?
Ruth Detrow: Have our first contract a two-year contract then
renegotiate?
Scott Brown: On these three items?
Ruth Detrow: Well, I was thinking about everything, but maybe
those three only.
Richard P. Wolfe II: One of the things they are looking for and
it is a balancing act; but they looking for some assurance of stability
that they are going to be able to continue to do what they want to
do. And I think we want them to do that. We can
isolate certain terms, and say the parties will revisit these at the
end of a two-year period and two parties to an agreement can always
change or modify the agreement at any time. Plus, we would have a
probation period for escape if either party couldn’t reach an
agreement, but I don’t think we are anticipating that kind of
situation. We are looking at almost March 1 now and even
though it doesn’t seem like it outside, it is not too far away
from springtime. So you will probably want to get working within
a month, wouldn’t you? By the first of April?
Scott Brown: Yes.
Scott Brown: My only concern Rick, I don’t want these three
items to interfere to the most important thing in my mind is the
lease. My biggest concern is, if that lease was negotiable on the
city’s part, that in five to ten years and the city says, we love
what you did; we want it now, you are done! That is not in our
best interest of the group.
Richard P. Wolfe II: There is the lease for the right to use the
property and there are certain terms under the lease that can be
reviewed and renegotiated. When I first drafted it, I picked ten
which seemed to be a reasonable time to give you some assurance but
that if something happened and nothing was going on in three-four
years, we could say, hey we are out of this and if it wasn’t
working, ten years seemed like an appropriate number. And if
everything were going along as everybody thought, it would just be
subject to renewal. It is just a little hard at this stage to
project 20, 40 years out. We can always see how things are going.
Scott Brown: This is an idea that I had, but it may not be
acceptable to Council; I don’t hope this would happen, but
four years from now, we can’t get it done, our group dissolves,
we walk away. The only thing that I could say to City Council, is
whatever we did in the previous four years was a betterment to what you
have out there now. We are the ones who lose out because our
effort, money and energy are gone. And I like a ten-year lease,
but I want it renewable as a perpetual lease on our part, that we are
the ones that request the renewal and the city can’t say,
“We don’t want you to renew it”. Unless our
organization gets resolved or you have a clause here that says, what
triggers us not performing to what we originally said we would
do. Because my biggest concern is in ten years; it will take us
five to six years to get this done and we start showing the fruits out
of it and you guys are all gone and the next City Council comes in and
says by the way, we are not going to renew that lease; that is not
acceptable.
Ruth Detrow: Is there a way to write the lease so that, that
can’t happen? He certainly has a valid point.
Robert L. Valentine W1: I think if it goes the way you are
projecting it, it looks to me like it will work. I like the idea
of the ten years.
Richard P. Wolfe II: What he is saying, he wouldn’t mind
ten years as long as in the ten years it was renewable at their option,
not our option. He is concerned with the rug being pulled out
from under him after ten years. I think we could put in some
language to the effect, that provided that the project has developed as
was originally intended, it would be renewable at their option, but if
things aren’t working out then the city could pull the plug on
it.
Scott Brown: Because the same thing as the city has concerns
about its ten-year, if I dump $400,000.00 dollars of money and labor
and in ten years you tell me adios into the sunset; that would be tough
to swallow.
Richard P. Wolfe II: That is a good point. I will give that
some thought.
Mayor Stewart: You felt that one 30 yd dumpster would do the
job. What if you had two 5 yd dumpsters three or four times?
Scott Brown: That would probably work because we are not going to
get all of this work done at one time. The debris from the
interior home, yes that would probably suffice. But there is a
lot of debris around the property that needs to be taken away and we
cannot afford to do that.
Mayor Stewart: Give me the option to work with our Sanitation
Department to see what we can do. Our dumpsters are 5 yds. I
don’t know how many of them I have. Give me the option to
look into that and I will do that tomorrow.
Scott Brown: Because in the Restoration process, what we talked
about. We are trying to restore a lot of the original
plaster. We are only throwing out what is already down.
Mayor Stewart: You think you would need them through the summer?
Scott Brown: Yes.
Mayor Stewart: I will get back with you on that.
Richard P. Wolfe II: You are not always going to be able to work
when you want to. There is going to be weather circumstances,
there are going to be people on vacation. It is not going to be
like a construction project, where you are going to have a time frame
and working people overtime. You are going to take most of the
summer.
Scott Brown: If you have ever seen “IF WALLS COULD
TALK”? You are just going to want to go through everything
and make sure you are not missing any historical significant
items. That will take some time.
Mayor Stewart: Can a Sanitation truck get back up to the House?
Scott Brown: You dump the dumpsters right on the cement pad where
the garage used to be.
Richard P. Wolfe II: Is the roadway an issue?
Robert M. Valentine W2: Yes, that is the only thing.
Mayor Stewart: But this is a construction roadway, it is
available now, is that right?
Scott Brown: There is a gravel roadway back there now.
Stephen L. Stuart: Scott, on the issue of number three,
what do you have in mind that might include any new areas that would be
required?
Scott Brown: I envision this: If we get the barn, we have a
contact on a barn, same period out there. You get the kids in
there it would be like a miniature Malabar Farm. If we make this
successful and pull out and maybe entrust it to a Siler Trust which is
nonprofit that would run it. We would be available to start
another project. If we can be that successful with it.
There is no overflow parking. Limited place for parking. We
are more concerned with a bus turnaround for kids. If there
is a language in there that the city would help us if available at the
time we look at the restrooms and the parking based on the
timeline. That could be six years from now.
Paul Wertz: Basically the first year, all you are really asking
for the city to do is:
1) Port-A-Pot
2) Dumpsters
3) Electricity
4) City do mowing
5) Poison Ivy control
Scott Brown: In my eyes, Paul. I am not making light of it;
I know the budget is tight. In my eyes, I am not asking a
lot. We are trying to give back to the city. I just
don’t have that money to pay for those costs right now.
Mayor Stewart: You mentioned you have a contract on a barn?
Scott Brown: It is one that the city had. The gentleman out
there gave us a lead on one that down the road, it is exactly what we
want. There is not a contract, it was just a verbal.
Mayor Stewart: For information, we may need to move on the barns
and the silos out at the Riley property.
Scott Brown: I signed off on those. They wouldn’t
work with what we had to do.
Mayor Stewart: So we are going to probably pursue
this.
Scott Brown: That gentleman who had contracted the city
gave us a lead that was actually similar to the actual barn that sat
out there. We are hoping that will work out.
Richard P. Wolfe II: Are you looking for something that is
consistent with the period?
Scott Brown: Correct. The one that was up there was an 1838
barn, the one that we might be able to get was 1940’s, so close
enough for us. We will work with the Ashland County Barn
Organization to help facilitate getting that done too. The more
people we get involved to getting this done, the easier it will be.
Mayor Stewart: I like what you are doing. It is a real asset to
the community.
Scott Brown: It can be really something special out there.
Mayor Stewart: I wish we had a bucket of money to pour into that
to help you.
Scott Brown: We are hoping we run across someone who will give it
to us. There are Grants out there, but we cannot do it until it
is registered to the National Registry.
Richard P. Wolfe II: Well let me see if I can put some language
together that gets more specific on the expenses that we had talked
about, but also tries to address their concern about longevity.
We won’t have it for Tuesday, but we will shoot for the next
Council meeting.
Robert L. Valentine W1: Rick, is there someway, when you get this
all together, that we can look at it and give any comments?
Certainly as far as preservation is concerned for our Historical
Society sites, is very important.
Robert M. Valentine W2: I just want to be there when you excavate.
Scott Brown: I am looking forward to that. Chris
Buchanan who is the Vice President of our group was just hired by the
Historical Society State of Ohio as their Senior Project Coordinator of
all their Historical properties. That gives us privy to
information on grants and such.
Comments or questions.
Richard P. Wolfe II: The next thing to do is for Council,
and I will talk to Scott and make sure of what I said to you, we
know is going to fly with him before it gets to you and then go from
there.
Scott Brown: We could probably by the following meeting,
get it resolved by then couldn’t we?
Richard P. Wolfe II: I think so.
Paul Wertz: We need to have an Executive Session with the Law
Director concerning a matter of imminent court action. There will
be no action taken.
Motion to move into Executive Session by Paul Wertz, moved by Robert M.
Valentine W2, seconded by Robert L. Valentine W1.
Ayes: Stephen L. Stuart, Robert L. Valentine
W1, Robert M. Valentine W2, Ruth Detrow,
Paul Wertz.
Moved into Executive Session at 7:45 p.m.
Moved back into Special Session by Ruth Detrow, seconded by Robert L.
Valentine W1.
Ayes: Stephen L. Stuart, Robert L. Valentine
W1, Robert M. Valentine W2, Ruth Detrow,
Paul Wertz.
Moved back into Special Session at 8:55 p.m.
Move to Adjourn Special Session by Robert L. Valentine W1, seconded by
Robert M. Valentine W2.
Ayes: Stephen L. Stuart, Robert L. Valentine
W1, Robert M. Valentine W2, Ruth Detrow.
Adjournment at 8:56 p.m.
Submitted by
Valarie
F. Bishoff
Clerk of
Council